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Red wrote:

> There's no contraire there, you missed my point yet, still, and
> again<G>. You, as a licensed pilot, are not the airline industry.
> You are an employee of it and these days, more fungible, a "tool"
> like any other piece the business buys rents or hires.

And you apparently missed mine as well - I'm not employed in the
airline industry (just because one has a commercial ticket doesn't mean
that's necessarily their career), I was just pointing out that nautical
knots are the standard in the industry, at least from an operations
point of view.

--
GregR

--- Red <hellosailor@verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Greg-
> > Au contraire, as the holder of an FAA commercial pilot certificate
>
> There's no contraire there, you missed my point yet, still, and
> again<G>. You,
> as a licensed pilot, are not the airline industry. You are an
> employee of it and
> these days, more fungible, a "tool" like any other piece the business
> buys rents
> or hires. You are *not* what I am referring to as the airline
> industry. And
> judging from pilot salary cuts versus top management gold, you're not
> a
> particularly valued employee any more. (Sad to say.)
>
> If you ask a gate worker, a ticket agent, any non-front-seat employee
> of any US
> airline (Delta, American, Southwest, TWA [sic], Continental) how many
> miles it
> is from here to there, they answer in statute miles. Ask them how
> many air miles
> they award the traveler--the customer--and it is statute miles. Ask
> them how
> fast the plane goes, and they answer in statute mph. And the ones
> I've spoken
> with, when they will speak at all (you never know, I might be a
> terrorist who's
> just kept the same address and phone number for decades awaiting my
> activation)
> mention flight times and cruising speed based on numbers like 500mph.
> Not knots.
>
> Heck, most of the cabin "attendants" will shoot you a blank stare if
> you use the
> words port and starboard, they *know* an airplane has a right side
> and a left
> side.
>
> Even if you are a stockholder in your airline, you are not "the
> airline
> industry" unless you are a majorty owner or other policy maker.
> You're a pilot,
> which is something radically different. You can't tell me that ANY
> airline would
> be run the same way that it is being run today, if the pilots made
> the rules.
> Not for long, anyway.<G> (But then again, piloting skills and
> business
> management skills, are not necessarily the exact same skill set.
> Which is part
> of the original topic I suppose, captain's skills versus masters and
> owners.)
>
> Used to be, if the last flight out was running late and the pilot
> wanted to get
> home he could firewall the throttles and no one would challenge that.
> Now, I'm
> told that pilots on some airlines get a formal reprimand for
> consuming too much
> fuel--regardless of how late they were running. Can you give me a
> reality check
> on how your employer, or others, are handling that?
>
> Or, why aircraft emergency exits in the EU are required to be thrown
> OUT while
> in the US, different airlines flying the same aircarft require them
> to be
> brought IN, where they obstruct an exit row? (In the US, that's an
> airline
> industry standard, not an FAA or aircraft manufacturer issue,
> according to the
> FAA and a Boeing rep.) Someone at Boeing, and another 737
> trans-pacific pilot,
> both told me they suspect the US airlines bring the doors in because
> it costs
> too much to replace them after they've bounced on the ground.
>
>  Bean counters. Like they said and still say at NASA, remember,
> you're flying in
> an aircraft with one million different parts, each supplied by the
> lowest
> bidder. I don't think pilots run things that way.
>
>
> >
>


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