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Re: Universe of the ancient Greeks.
From: Bill B
Date: 2006 Mar 13, 22:30 -0500
From: Bill B
Date: 2006 Mar 13, 22:30 -0500
Lu wrote > True, but then why didn't the rest of the "learned" crowd jump on the > idea as a solution for the motion of the planets? Or were they more > interested in a "logically satisfying" solution than one that provided > the easiest solution to a problem? They were too busy trying to pound a square peg into a round whole thanks to Aristotle, Plato, and others who told them the peg must be round. Premise faulty, conclusion usually faulty. Faulty logic. Sort of trying to solve a math problem when you believe 2+2=5. The celestial bodies movements, no matter what revolved around what, *had* to move in a perfect circles at constant velocity, so they went about putting epicycles into the orbits to account for the "erratic" motions of the planets. All sorts or crystal spheres and magic moving forces. The circle idea lasted all the way through Copernicus and early Kepler. There are a lot of steps between observing something, be it an apple falling from a tree or spontaneous generation of life (nothing, then maggots then flies, on meat), accurately measuring what was observed relative to the observer's position, creating a model to accurately predict, then explaining to a lead-pipe cinch why it does what it does. All that based on observations in our little niche in the universe; and in the historical areas we ponder, without most of the tools we now enjoy. So the turning point was not so much having answers to the age old questions, but rather asking new questions. Starting with a blank sheet of paper. What if everything we know from the ancients is wrong? Fast forward, what will history say about Newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, and string theory? We have mathematical models for the effects of gravity/gravitation, but do we really know why two bodies attract each other? Still sort of magic. We just swapped out angels for gravitons.Bill