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    Re: Universe of the ancient Greeks.
    From: Alexandre Eremenko
    Date: 2006 Mar 13, 23:26 -0500

    I would like to add few remarks to this discussion
    (and to defend the "ancient Greeks":-)
    
    Lu wrote:
    
    > >>Given the level of scientific knowledge, inquiry, and downright genius
    > >>among the ancient Greeks, I'm rather surprised that the idea of a
    > >>heliocentric universe didn't occur to one of them.
    
    and Bill replied:
    
    > > It did indeed occur to one or more of them, Aristarchus of Samos.
    
    1. There are apparently hudge gaps in our knowledge
    about "ancient Greek's" science. There are indicatrions that
    the heliocentric system (and possibly the law of universal gravity)
    were common knowledge among educated "Greeks" in 3-1 cent BC.
    The problem is that very little of scientific writings
    of that time survived.
    
    At the time when Ptolemy wrote, this "ancient Greek" science was
    already very ancient indeed. (Like Kepler to us). There was a hudge
    regress in science
    in these centuries, accompanied with destruction of major
    scientific libraries. The "educated crowd" somehow lost
    interest to science.
    
    The epoch of Ptolemy was a brief and temporary and incomplete
    revival, before Europe finally fell into the Dark Age.
    
    In the modern times, I mean the times of Copernicus, Bruno,
    Galileo, and Kepler,
    heliocentric system was frequently called a
    "Pithagorean teaching".
     Newton refers to "the ancients" in connection
    with universal gravitation.
    
    (I understand that these views are not quite common.
    A good comprehensive source is the book
    L. Russo, Forgotten revolution.)
    
    2. Now we understand that the difference between geocentric
    and heliocentric system is not so fundamental:-)
    It is the question of convenient choice of coordinate system.
    And we do use geocentric system in nautical almanach, for example.
    It is just the question of convenience.
    
    The real breakthrough (after the ancients) was the discovery of
    Kepler laws, not the heliocentric system.
    (In many cases, Copernicus system gives less precise predictions
    that Ptolemy system).
    
    > True, but then why didn't the rest of the "learned" crowd jump on the
    > idea as a solution for the motion of the planets?   Or were they more
    > interested in a "logically satisfying" solution than one that provided
    > the easiest solution to a problem?
    
    I afraid that the "learned crowd", beginning approx 1 cent. AD
    just was not interested in these discussions, and was unable
    to understand the writings of astronomers and mathematicians
    of the previous century. Few centuries later there was no
    learned crowd at all...
    
    Alex.
    
    P.S. There are many signs that we are living in the
    beginning o a similar period of decline.
    
    
    

       
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