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Re: dip, dip short, distance off with buildings, etc.
From: Frank Reed CT
Date: 2006 Jan 15, 20:20 EST
From: Frank Reed CT
Date: 2006 Jan 15, 20:20 EST
Bill, regarding the refraction from temperature inversion, you wrote: "I should not be surprised given the range of values Frank suggested, and the heat produced by the Chicago metro area and steel-works, but I was." It's not the city or the industrial areas. It's just normal weather. Temperature inversions are quite common. They have been associated (in local weather reports?) with cities and pollution rather by accident. When a lasting temperature inversion exists, convection is capped. This causes a rapid build-up in ozone and smog. But that's the effect rather than the cause. Inversions can occur anywhere including over the open ocean, especially near major ocean currents like the Gulf Stream. "Which brings us back to coasts and thermal inversions and other abnormalities. Not a rhetorical question--how should the warning label or guidelines read? Can it possibly be quantified?" It *can* be quantified, but it's probably not worth it. I doubt very many people use Table 15 or worry about range of visibility or dip short. As you've seen, even on this list of navigation enthusiasts, it's mostly a yawn. "Also, for non coastal situations, can modifications to dip etc be adjusted by some factors?" Occasionally over the past 150 years (or more), people have suggested measuring water temperature and air temperature and modifying dip values under the assumption that the air temperature at the water surface will equal the water temperature. It's not a practical solution since the assumption isn't true, the temperature measurements have to be accurate, and the improvement in accuracy is not all that great. -FER 42.0N 87.7W, or 41.4N 72.1W. www.HistoricalAtlas.com/lunars