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Re: led lights>
From: Ken James
Date: 2003 Nov 26, 14:53 -0600
From: Ken James
Date: 2003 Nov 26, 14:53 -0600
> > I hope he won't mind if I cast a somewhat leary eye over his following > assertion.. Have these observations been confirmed > independently, and can Ken provide a reference? Yes, of course. Some of the info is on the web, which makes it easy...here is one site, a good one...they cover both Bloch's law and the Broca-Sulzer effect; http://webvision.med.utah.edu/temporal.html more http://color.eri.harvard.edu/stevhom2.htm http://www.uctc.net/papers/207.pdf http://216.239.37.104/custom?q=cache:_3YjBBZi2uMJ:arapaho.nsuok.edu/~salmonto/VSII_2003/Lecture13.pdf+%22temporal+summation%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Also, ON has a PDF document that metions pulsng leds to ...and there are many many more refs if you google the keywords in these documents. Were they made using the > same type of LED emitter? A LED wasn't used as the light source as far as I know...but the important thing here is the freq., chromoticity, intensity and duration...all of which can be replicated quite easily by LEDs. Was the apparent brightness determined by > human-eye assessment or by some instrument? The intensity was measured, the apparent brightness was subjectivly obsereved and also measured as nerve action potentials in some experiments and then correlated. Does the observation apply in > circumstances (duty-cycle and period) in which the light APPEARS to the > human eye to be steady and not pulsed (even though it IS pulsed) because > otherwise the colreg requirements would not be met? Yes...however, the COLREGS do NOT say that a light can not have an observable 'buzz' only that it must be steady...if they DID, some lights might fail (IE Euro 50 HZ AC, I have seen some of them 'buzz' myself) but in any case, I comprimise with our lights to achieve percieved flicker fusion. > If indeed the above assertion of 80% longer battery life is confirmed, than such a pulsed design would be well worthwhile. I have a MKIII design of such an anchor light on my boat...it stays on all the time as a long-term test. It uses one amp hour per 12 hours run time out of 24 (the light has a built in day sensor) It was recently seen by several people on a small boat over the water against the background lights of the marina at 2.7 NM. I say as much as 80%...it might be less, but the least amount I have seen is that we get almost a 50% gain in run time for the same visibility above those using a typical DC-DC converter type driver. I have now sold upwards of one thousand FirstStars...no one has ever complained that it was not bright enough. In fact, with the new MKIII model, it is often the brightest light in the anchorage, as well as the lowest power. > that each one are as bright as a 60-80 watt > >incandescent bulb...no joke! > > That's new, and interesting, information. Does it refer to mean power, > rather than the peak power level achievable in a short pulse? No, continious power is what is spec'ed, these are LumiLed leds, the measurment refers to illumination. It puts out up to 80 lumens in a very wide beam of about 140 degrees. This is as much as a typical 50 to 60 watt incandesecent light bulb used on a boat. Right now, the 5 watt is only available as samples (if there are any left), but they have other lower power one and three watt models. I am awaiting the 'warm white' models for my newest designs. > > Ken claiming that those problems, of sufficient light output at every > azimuth and elevation within the defined sector (especially for sailing > craft) and sufficiently sharp cutoff outside it, have now been resolved? NO, I am saying that if you use leds that provide sufficient vertical coverage, you WILL NOT have CORRECT horizontal coverage without excess spill over unless you apply an additional optical elemnt(s) as part of the solution. You must use an optical element of some type...which I do on our lights...Perko acknowledges this problem by requireing their sidelights be mounted a min. distance back on the coach roof (BTW, their led side lights are rated for power only, not enough vert. coverage for sail) > Can he supply polar-diagram figures to convince us? No, not for our light, unfortuantly, at least not yet...our light has been measured by a testing lab...but I do not have that info as yet...it was done by a UL lab and they are being very slow. I do test them myself, but I do not have a lab apperataus. My own tests do show a sharper cut off between sectors than a normal fixture with an incandesecent bulb, and this is also observable by comparing our light to a normal set up as a smaller 'zone of confuson' from dead ahead. HOWEVER...a look at the manufactures polars for the leds will show what the problem is. If you examine the polars for a 60 deg led, (60 deg provides the correct vertical coverage) you will see that it has a broad 'fuzzy' boarder. If you bring these boarders close together you get too much spill over. So, if you use a led that has a sharper boarder, it is too narrow a beam to provide correct vert. coverage. If you merley use a simple vertical divider between the sectors it will not be sufficient, given that you are tryng to intercept a 3D conical volume with a 2D device, in effect. You must have proper design to acheive good sector division. I do it with optical elements on each and every led as needed. design for the with a Has any LED nav-light > (bow or masthead) been given any sort of type-approval by any regulating > authority? Not sure...it will happen soon, though. A number of them are working on the problem... We small-boat sailors are living in hope, and as soon as the > answer is "yes", we will be beating a path to the door of the supplier. Well, I have sold many of my lights to sailors all over the world, including the likes of Steve Fosset, Nigel Calder, Webb Chiles, the Sleavins, Bruce Schwab, several Ocean 60's ect., ect. and they all like them. No, they are not certified...but they are brighter than the bulb they replace, most of the time. I can make them as bright as needed...but our stock models are made to appear as bright, or nearly as bright (not all bulbs/fixtures are the same) as the 'normal' 25 watt bulb. > > Ken's mention of "a custom designed LED, an animal which does not exist" is > intriguing. If a single LED is now capable of supplying enough light, there > may be a big enough market to encapsulate it in an a special lens-moulding > designed to meet the colregs requirement. The market would have to absorb tens of millions of leds before a design would be specialy made for it. And then that single light would > be nearly a point-source, in which case only a small screen, in a > reasonably-sized housing, would be sufficient to obstruct aany last vestige > of crossover light across the bow. No, I know that seems reasonable, but it is not correct...leds are not light bulbs and often require their own design optics to meet the specs of any given application...in addtion, the new leds have many other design considerations, such as they must be driven with a tightly regulated voltage and current supply, active and passive thermal mangement becomes a prioriity, and protection from both electrical and enviromental damage is paramount for reliable operation. -Ken