Welcome to the NavList Message Boards.

NavList:

A Community Devoted to the Preservation and Practice of Celestial Navigation and Other Methods of Traditional Wayfinding

Compose Your Message

Message:αβγ
Message:abc
Add Images & Files
    Name or NavList Code:
    Email:
       
    Reply
    Re: Digital watches for use as a chronometer
    From: UNK
    Date: 2010 Dec 30, 01:18 -0800

    This is an update to this previous post. The experiment has now been going on for 415 days and I checked the errors of the three watches again on December 28, 2010. The measurements are:


    In the format for A, B, and C in seconds: actual error; predicted error;
    difference.

    A = 101.0/95.4/5.6; B = 203.0/204.3/ -1.3; C = 347.0/350.7/ -3.0.

    Averaging these differences equals 0.4 seconds.

    The worst error was 5.6 seconds which would only result in a 1.5 minute error in longitude. Averaging all three results in an error of 0.4 seconds which would cause an error in longitude of 0.1 minutes of longitude, about 600 feet.

    Not bad for $51.00 worth of watches after 415 days.

    gl

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Prior post


    A year ago in September 2009 we discussed using cheap digital watches
    as chronometers in the thread "How many chronometers?" I described an
    experiment I was doing using three cheap ($17.00 each) watches to
    determine how useful they would be as a chronometer. ( I have provided
    links to some of my posts in that discussion below.)

    The experiment has continued now for almost a year and this is an update
    to the prior posts.

    Since I had modified the test conditions temporarily to see what effect
    very cold temperatures would have on the rates of the watches, I had to
    restart the experiment on September 18, 2009, 360 days ago. The three
    watches, "A", "B", and "C" were, respectively, 7, 31 and 60 seconds fast
    at that point. I had computed their daily rates to be .1919, .3737 and
    .6263 seconds per day respectively. The watches are kept in a cabinet
    with a minimum-maximum thermometer (see photo) and the temperature range
    was 62.5� to 82.4� F ( 16.9� to 28.0 �C.)

    I have checked the watches on five occasions by comparing them with the
    radio time signal from WWV and estimated the time to the nearest half
    second. Using the daily rates, I predicted what the accumulated errors
    should be and compared them with the actual error and the difference
    would have been the error if relying on the predicted errors for navigation.

    The first occasion was on November 13, 2009, 56 days after the start. In
    the format for A, B, and C in seconds: actual error; predicted error;
    difference.

    A = 17.0/17.7/-.7: B = 52.0/51.9/ .1: C = 95.0/95.1/ -.1

    Averaging these differences equals -.2


    December 31, 2009, 104 days:

    A = 26.5/27.0/ -.5: B = 70.0/69.9/ .1: C = 124.0/125.1/-1.1

    Averaging these differences equals -.5

    March 16, 2010, 179 days:

    A = 41.0/41.3/-.3: B = 97.0/97.9/ -.9: C = 172.5/ 172.1/ .4

    Averaging these differences equals -.3

    June 23, 2010, 278 days:

    A = 61.5/60.3/1.2: B = 134.0/134.9/ -.9: C = 232.0/234.1/ -2.1

    Averaging these differences equals -.6

    September 13, 2010:

    A = 79.0/76.1/2.9: B = 164.0/165.5/ -1.5: C = 281.0/285.5/ -3.5

    Averaging these differences equals -.7

    Evaluating this data shows that the greatest difference between
    predicted time and actual time was 3.5 seconds after 360 days which
    would result in less than one minute of longitude error in almost a
    year. So using any one of these watches as a chronometer would provide
    sufficient accuracy for celestial navigation.

    Averaging the three readings resulted in a maximum difference of .7
    seconds which would provide a longitude to an accuracy of less than
    one-quarter of a minute.

    So it appears that if the watches can be kept in the cabin where the
    temperature can be maintained at a comfortable temperature for the
    occupants, 17� to 28� C, that these three $17 watches are all you need
    for a year of voyaging without recourse to a radio time signal.

    gl

    Check out these previous posts:


    http://www.navlist.net/m2.aspx?i=109724&y=200909

    http://www.navlist.net/m2.aspx?i=109757&y=200909

    http://www.navlist.net/m2.aspx?i=109766&y=200909

    http://www.navlist.net/m2.aspx?i=109824&y=200909

    http://www.navlist.net/m2.aspx?i=109825&y=200909

    http://www.navlist.net/m2.aspx?i=109847&y=200909

    http://www.navlist.net/m2.aspx?i=109894&y=200909

    http://www.navlist.net/m2.aspx?i=109942&y=200909

    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    NavList message boards and member settings: www.navlist.net/NavList
    Members may optionally receive posts by email.
    To cancel email delivery, send a message to NoMail[at]navlist.net
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

       
    Reply
    Browse Files

    Drop Files

    NavList

    What is NavList?

    NavList is a community devoted to the preservation and practice of celestial navigation and other methods of traditional position-finding. We're a group of navigators, navigation enthusiasts and hobbyists, mathematicians and physicists, and historians interested in all aspects of navigation but primarily those techniques which are non-electronic.

    To post a message, if you are already signed up as a NavList member, start a new discussion or reply to any posted message and use your posting code (this is a simple low-security password assigned when you join). You may also join by posting. Your first on-topic messsage automatically makes you a member, and a posting code will be assigned and emailed to you for future posts.

    Uniquely, the NavList message boards also permit full interaction entirely by email. You can optionally receive individual posts or daily digests by email, and any member can post messages by email (bypassing the web site) by sending to our posting address which is "NavList@NavList.net". This functionality is similar to a traditional Internet mailing list: post by email, read by email, reply by email. Most members will prefer the web interface here for posting and replying to messages.

    NavList is more than an online community... more about that another day.

    © Copyright notice: please note that the rights to all messages and posts in this discussion group are held by their respective authors. No messages or text or images extracted from messages may be reproduced without the explicit consent of the message author. Email me, Frank Reed, if you have any questions.

    Join / Get NavList ID Code

    Name:
    (please, no nicknames or handles)
    Email:
    Do you want to receive all group messages by email?
    Yes No

    A NavList ID Code guarantees your identity in NavList posts and allows faster posting of messages.

    Retrieve a NavList ID Code

    Enter the email address associated with your NavList messages. Your NavList code will be emailed to you immediately.
    Email:

    Email Settings

    NavList ID Code:

    Custom Index

    Subject:
    Author:
    Start date: (yyyymm dd)
    End date: (yyyymm dd)

    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site