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Re: The polariceing on the cake
From: Bill B
Date: 2006 Jan 27, 21:48 -0500
From: Bill B
Date: 2006 Jan 27, 21:48 -0500
Peter Wrote: > My understanding is that there is nothing imprecise about f/ stops; they need > to be and are quite precise in order to function, ie; to permit an accurate > exposure. Just try telling Schneider or Rodenstock or any other lens maker > that its finely calculated then engraved f/stops are only ?about? right and I > suspect you would be met with withering scorn. The above statement regarding f-stops is *mostly* true these days. Ansel Adams, in book # 1, "The Camera" speaks to that. (Revised 1980.) First, by definition, the "relative" aperture of a lens, as George correctly stated, is focal length over diameter (of lens opening). To quote Ansel, "The f-stop relates exposure to the effective diameter of the lens, but disregards other factors, primarily the efficiency of the lens in its actual transmission of light. Since lenses of many elements are less efficient than those of few elements--because of reflection of light at each surface and the optical density of the glasses--attempts have been made to develop the actual transmission of a lens. A scale of "t-stops" has sometimes been been substituted for f-stops to indicate light transmission. These values are seldom seen today, except in some lenses for cinematography, primarily because the efficiency of lenses has been greatly increased by lens coating techniques. The t-stop values, while fine for determining exposure, also distort other mathematical values that relate directly to the true f-stop, such as depth of field and hyperfocal distance." Really, given the modern lens, even if t-stops were treated as f-stops on the barrel, the depth of field and hyperfocal distance are also on the barrel of small and medium format lenses, so big deal. Who do we know that calculates exposure by using the square root of the aperture related to foot candles today? This is in anticipation of (IMHO)) a valid argument; they can make the hole in the adjustable aperture any size they want as long as it passes through the prescribed amount of light. Bingo, perhaps a t-stop in f-stop clothing? If you are serious about your photography, I would wager you have lighted up a wall or some such thing, used film from the same batch and photographed it (bracketing exposures) with the same body and all your lenses to determine the actual light transmission of each lens, as well as its contrast. As this is way off topic, I replied to George off list, and would suggest if we wish to continue, we do the same. My sphere of ignorance is not limited to navigation. > If the bear is no longer required he may retreat to the woods for a nice > peaceful sleep Not so fast my furry friend. I feel you, George and I have all gotten to walk a mile in the bear costume in this discussion if we equate honest disagreement with sticks and stones ;-) The lower lower limit of my stacked guess was inline with measured. Objectively however, my guess was based on doubling. I was wrong. George guessed 10% loss when it was 35-40%. George was, in practice, wrong. I would be hard pressed to say he or I won a "bet." As a sports analogy, I would say George's team won the game but he lost the bet on the points spread. Since it is a discussion forum, not a scored debate society, I feel most interested parties came away with a better understanding of polarization than they came in with. The goal. It is understandable that your fur was initially raised by George's criticism of you percentages, and a reminder that we *all* may need to try practicing a bit more diplomacy--telling the other fellow to go to h-ll in such a way as he will look forward to the trip. Or, in words of Will Rogers, "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie" until you can find a rock." Enough stonings for one day ;-) Pax vobiscum Bill